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I would like to open discussion on the topic of how people regardless of gender affiliation develop protocols for sexual boundaries. It would seem that this issue plays itself in so many settings and that the tension that mounts from situations where one person feels their boundaries are crossed can lead to a withdrawal from social and intimate situations. It is also a noteworthy issue that people in general do not know enough or practice enough assertion of boundaries and end up feeling victimized. All together this has added to the war of the sexes in ways I'm sure many are familiar with. So getting to the heart of the matter, how can we culturally move to a place where desire is not offensive and yet is not utterly repressed breeding explosive situations?
I'm trying to nutshell the issue as much as possible and will strive to add more points to the discussion once it gets underway. I am working on this topic in a community setting at the moment and felt like this tribe might generate some good thoughts to add.
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Re: Sexual Boundaries
Mon, November 12, 2007 - 1:16 AMWell, as twisted as they were, the middle ages had one thing down: chivalry. This is something they don't teach in schools. Right now, women are pretty much just objects of sexual desire in the public eye. And let's face it, boys are going to devote the better part of their days trying to get summa that. That's male nature. The trick is to do it in a way that respects female boundaries. It goes down to the smallest things. Instead of complimenting a girl on her rack, try holding the door open for her instead. Of course, we're adults here, and we know this, but kids don't. That, I believe, has to change.
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Re: Sexual Boundaries
Mon, November 12, 2007 - 8:35 PMthe protocols that i developed for my sexual boundaries came from the absolute and vile molestation of them since childhood.
straight up, 1 in 3 women have been raped.
soooo many by their fathers or someone in their immediate "family".
combine that with intuition BOLD rising up right now in most of us (women)
and then
sprinkle that with the way most men approach most women with such entitlement and ego
defenses are bound to go off...
it is not the responsibility of the person who feels their boundary has been crossed to tailor their expression of it for the sake of the pusher.
it is ALWAYS the responsibility of the pusher to back off, learn, and show reverence.
in learning, even asking the person what exactly it was that crossed the boundary and why it felt that way, we develop compassion in our dealings with one another.
the person who feels violated has every right to express that, period.
it is our job, then, to honor what may have happened in this persons Life and STOP projecting on to them because of the rejection that may be felt. maybe you could ask them about it sometime.
honor it as the Truth of that person's experience. why would they lie about it?
people who have a hard time expressing their boundaries have, typically, had them violated severely and know not of them too well themselves.
they may be just learning that they have boundaries, or that they are worthy of having any, or just discovered that they are worthy and are overcompensating while they learn to get the hang of it asserting them with grace and Balance, or feel guilty for having any ESPECIALLY when faced with someone who may remind them of their abuser and they get fucking choked and CAN"T express them...
i say, THE most important thing is for us ALL to begin to pay more attention to is the subtle energetic vibrations that fluctuate between us and within us. stay True to them.
i know, for me, if a boundary has been crossed, i freeze , or i fight, or i flee (hmmm)(though i am consciously getting better) because of the MANY experiences that i have had with being violated (and, by the way, only more women are going to have this issue with the way our media and current society abuses the Earth and the Feminine unless men choose to do some CONSCIOUS evolution and break these cycles through inner journeying). nonetheless, at all, if i feel frozen it is obvious that i feel uncomfortable. if one were to actually tap in and pay attention, it is obvious and palpable. my Heart races and i suppose i put out fear. it is RARE that a man actually backs off in that space.
why?
is this dumb or just turned on by the fight?
the lack of CHOICE that i have, until the initial PHYSICAL sensation of fear that occurs in my body is surpassed, shows that i WAS a victim and these memories still Live in my cellular memory.
we are not stuck in or playing victim.
we are surviving having been and still feeling at times, very really victimized.
as far as desire meeting a healthy outlet, it is noone elses responsibility to satiate.
learn to Touch your Self gently while envisioning your own beauty and the beauty of All that Is...
Touch is healing, for sure...
i see how fucked we all can be and are or have been without enough of it....
Bless it.
the one word answer that comes to me is in all of this is:
REVERENCE.
for one another in every single fucking moment.
we are ALL healing from SO MUCH fucking trauma.
relate to one another as children who have been hurt.
Blessed Be. -
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Re: Sexual Boundaries
Tue, November 13, 2007 - 5:11 PMamen. My heart is with you, Satya. -
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Re: Sexual Boundaries
Fri, November 16, 2007 - 11:57 AMI really hate a lot of rap music, because I feel that the lyrics objectify women and promote a culture of boundary pushing.
As a young woman, I often compromised my boundaries in fear of "getting in trouble". Like "If I make a fuss I'll wake up my friend's parents and they'll know we're drunk and I'll get in trouble." So I think a lot of young women get trained to put other things in priority ahead of their sexual boundaries. In the end, it takes maturity and self-assurance to stand up for yourself. It takes knowledge of self to figure out what your boundaries are and self- assurance to enforce them.
This is why children are not ready to be sexually active.
Most of my compromised situations came from being way too young and feeling like I was in over my head.
As an adult, boundaries are much easier.
There are play party boundaries that should be enforced as well. I have come across orgies where I closed my eyes in ecstasy and opened them and someone I didn't even know was playing with my puss. It's like "Who are you, and why didn't you ask?"
It's important in sexually free scenarios to keep your eyes open for people who might be too inebriated or insecure to enforce their own boundaries, but are obviously uncomfortable. -
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Re: Sexual Boundaries
Tue, December 11, 2007 - 12:46 AMThanks for the responses so far. Excuse my negligence in keeping up. My laptop's being repaired and my tribe account is so buggy that I can barely use tribe.net without a great deal of patience. Some days I can access my tribes and others not. Anyways..
It could well be that due to the sheer volume of abuse towards women that there needs to be a collective mind-set that entails considering the most severe examples of female degradation and trauma as a base-line to begin from when approaching women. That is certainly not an easy thing to accomplish nor would I want to remain stuck in that gear but to move to second gear I use the metaphor of driving standard (i am learning how to do this now).
Easing on the clutch as you hit the gas and feeling for it to kick into forward motion..too much gas too soon and you get jolted and aren't going to go anywhere.
To be able to negotiate boundaries means learning what the threshold is in each and every person we meet. For me this makes use of astrology and lots of communication. Even still I need more self-knowledge to know where my excessive impulses may lie and how to counter-balance them.
I once read a book on Atlantean spiritual practices which described men in their priestly roles, preparing for the priestess to select them. I for a long time saw this as being ideal and still do in many ways.
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