The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

topic posted Sun, April 24, 2005 - 3:46 PM by  Sobey
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I tend to think this idea to be true but would like to know if anyone has come across any evidence that supports the notion especially with all the "propaganda" that masquerades as romantic comedy and sitcom material.
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Sobey
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  • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

    Sun, April 24, 2005 - 4:36 PM
    yes i think i may know of some but just want to clarify first...

    is there any area of social mind control you are thinking of in particular?

    for example, i notice the gender divide exagerated and perpetuated by advertizing a lot.
  • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

    Sat, April 30, 2005 - 1:14 AM
    It's all about men vs women, black vs white, Christian vs Muslim, and white collar vs blue collar. The rich and powerful keep us divided so we don't get started discussing who's really ruining our world and making life difficult. That's not a wacked out analysis... I could reasonably demonstrate this...
    • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

      Sat, April 30, 2005 - 2:18 AM
      Well put, L.

      "The matix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth." - Morpheus

      It seems to me that the engineered infighting of one group and another group serves the same purpose for those in control of "the matrix." In other words, it blinds us from the truth of recognizing the true "masters" of the matrix, and even that we live inside the matrix to begin with....
      • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

        Sat, April 30, 2005 - 2:13 PM
        While I don't agree with some of the things Marx said, he had this right: The rich and powerful pit the working class against each other in order to maintain control.
        If we stay at each others' throats, we'll be too busy squabbling over petty stuff to notice that we're being taken advantage of.

        It's probably not all intentionally malicious, though. The media uses "the battle of the sexes" to get viewers, and in turn, money from advertisers. They think it's just simple greed, but they don't realize the effect this gender division has over time.

        In the romantic comedies, the characters always follow the same worn formula. Man chases woman, woman runs away, man does grand gesture, woman realizes she has feelings for him, they get married. These movies tell the audience that there should be clearly defined roles in romantic relationships. You were born this way, so you have to do this. Women should act this way, men should act that way. Because of this, people can develop unrealistic expectations about their partner.

        By maintaining these cliche images of gender, the business owners and advertisers make a ton of cash. For example, there are all the weight-loss products and beauty aids that women buy. The women's magazines all say, "You're fat! You're ugly! You can fix that by buying the products we advertise!" The same goes for men and the supposedly masculine products we buy........buying a big 4X4, for example, will give you a large penis. If you chew Skoal, the women will be falling all over you. And if you drink Coors, a group of Swedish models will play volleyball in your backyard.
        • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

          Sat, April 30, 2005 - 2:49 PM
          You left out part of the romantic comedy formula. It generally goes more like this....

          - man chases woman
          - woman begins to fall for him
          - man makes huge, usually either boneheaded or callous error
          - woman strikes man with open hand, fist, or kicks man as retaliation
          - woman runs away
          - man does grand gesture
          - woman realizes she has feelings for him
          - woman may strike man again here, for forcing her to acknowlede her love for him
          - they get married

          I find it absolutely fascinating how many people watch literally dozens of romantic comedies and sitcoms and never notice all the women slapping, punching and kicking men. Its almost like the woman on man violence somehow never occurs. Yet many if not most such shows contain these scenes. Watch for them. You'll see what I mean.

          The mere fact that they've become "invisible" to us indicates our acceptance of this form of violence, or at least that's how I read it....

          Otherwise, I agreed with your post, roo-roo. I just wanted to point out this part because so many people just miss it entirely.
          • Most violence against men goes unreported, mainly because it's not very masculine to admit you "got beat up by a girl." If you defend yourself, now you're considered the abuser. Men are supposed to be universally tough, so violence against men is apparently no big deal because we're big manly lumberjacks, and we can take it. Or at least that's the way the judges often see it.
            It's important to remember that physical abuse isn't the only kind of abuse there is. Sexual, emotional, financial.... If a woman uses a man as her personal ATM, why is she seen as an "incurable romantic?" Yet if a man does the same to a woman, he's a worthless parasite. These portrayals are often turned up by the media even more around Valentine's Day and Christmas, so the jewelers and florists can milk the men dry. It's seen as a harmless aspect of capitalism. They don't see the fact that it drives us apart.
            • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

              Fri, June 16, 2006 - 12:34 AM
              Yeah most of it goes unreported....
              but I have two friends who can testify, that if the cops are called on your domestic violence dispute, and the woman is the only one who's actually done any hitting, they WILL write up a domestic violence charge on you and pursue it, sometimes even if the guy refuses to press charges or even show up to court. In Georgia (where one case is pending) the state insists on pursuing all domestic violence charges that the police decided warranted a report because so many women were dropping charges and dying. They equally uphold the charges on women.
            • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

              Mon, September 25, 2006 - 8:51 PM
              roo-roo writes: "It's important to remember that physical abuse isn't the only kind of abuse there is. Sexual, emotional, financial.... If a woman uses a man as her personal ATM, why is she seen as an "incurable romantic?" Yet if a man does the same to a woman, he's a worthless parasite. These portrayals are often turned up by the media even more around Valentine's Day and Christmas, so the jewelers and florists can milk the men dry. It's seen as a harmless aspect of capitalism. They don't see the fact that it drives us apart."

              No question that advertisers use gender stereotypes to manipulate people into buying particular products (e.g. prove your love [and your masculinity/income] by buying her an expensive diamond ring). Does she need to "prove her love" by buying him an expensive diamond ring? No. Why not? Because she is seen as a "precious gift" and he is seen as less than worthwhile. Of course many males are abusive jerks, not particularly worthwhile, but not all. It's like he has to give her a bribe to stay with him, the message being "I know that I am inferior, please stay with me anyway." Are not some males kind, loving, affectionate, nurturing? Should not a woman want to have a relationship with this kind of a male, even if she does not get an expensive diamond ring? But there is no "profit" in presenting this point of view. I think that you are right; these attitudes drive us apart.
              • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

                Thu, September 28, 2006 - 5:24 AM
                The diamond commercials make me want to puke.

                They send such a fucked up message about what relationships are supposed to be like, both to men and women! It's capitalist evil at its purest.
                to women: you shouldn't desire equality, mutual respect, emotional closeness- expensive objects will fill the void.
                to men: don't bother working on the relationship in terms of emotional intimacy or anything else, just buy her something and she'll be happy.

                i haven't seen a campaign in a while (i'm sure they'll be back up in february), but i'm very much up for some billboard modifications... any ideas?
                • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

                  Thu, September 28, 2006 - 4:00 PM
                  Perhaps we should add to the billboard a small note about the environmental destruction caused by diamond mines...not to mention the terrible politics of oppression invovlved.
                  It's even worse than their exploitation of the sexes.
                  Debeers is just pure evil.
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                    Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

                    Fri, September 29, 2006 - 5:37 AM
                    this is so very true.

                    I'll spend some time thinking of some good billboard modification one-liners.

                    too bad i won't be around in february, though. and we don't have the diamond obscenities in south america.
          • Sobey's original post in this thread mentioned sitcoms and romantic comedies, but there's one area that isn't as obvious- song lyrics. How often do you hear "I'm just a man"? How about "I'm just a woman"? Usually, it's the man who is on "down on my knees" begging for "one more chance" because "I'll go crazy without you." From listening to many of the songs out there, I've come to realize that it's always the man's fault when a relationship ends. If he cheated, he's a bastard; if she cheated, that's also his fault. I also learned that men should accept women for who they are, but men should change into whatever she wants him to be without question. Isn't the radio enlightening? Most of the songs men sing say "She's perfect, I'm worthless, please take me back" etc. while the women are saying "You don't deserve me, you'll need to make some major sacrifices and change who you are." Thanks to the media, I now realize that because I have a penis, I am evil incarnate.
            • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

              Sat, March 25, 2006 - 1:15 AM
              A lot of what makes it impactful seems to come from subtle perversions of archtypal patterns along which we're accustomed to thinking.
              -b
              • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

                Thu, August 10, 2006 - 8:03 PM
                Saweeet! Great discussion yos. I'm learning a lot seeing the different ways you all perceive the (artificial <?>) gender divide.
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                  Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

                  Sun, August 20, 2006 - 6:15 AM
                  What I find to make the least sense is the whole system of believing in and practicing gender roles. As a Chinese, I have old-fashioned parents and I never liked how my dad just ordered my mom around in the kitchen all the time. But American culture wasn't all that much better. In high school, I was supposed to be interested in sports, cars, and other macho stuff, right? Well, I tried that and it just never did anything for me. I've always been into the arts and literature. So I always had insecurities about my masculinity, thinking I was too girly and needed to do what my buddies did to prove my manhood. Now I realize how dumb that was. After all, by the time I got to college, I met all different kinds of people, almost none of whom fit any particular role as traditionally determined by their gender or orientation.

                  I started taking yoga classes earlier this year and I was a bit nervous since it's mostly women that are in there. But hey, it's so good for your mind and body, who the fuk cares if you're the only man in the class???
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                    Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

                    Tue, August 29, 2006 - 10:23 AM
                    Isn't it to your benefit to be the only one sometimes?
                    I teach yoga, and for a little while I had a class that was almost all men. I thought it very strange, but kinda cool as well. Great! I can teach yoga in a style that really appeals to men! Bonus!
                    • Re: The Gender Divide as Social Mind Control

                      Sat, November 11, 2006 - 11:38 PM
                      I teach dance, the guy's are few but get all the attention, they don't have to be great to get the front row or solos either. lol

                      To the original question:

                      IT'S ALL FOR PROFIT!!! WE ARE DEFINITELY BEING DIVIDED DELIBERATELY!

                      I'll start a separate thread to rant on this, please post your insights.

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